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Food & Agricultural Justice - Shared screen with speaker view
Bryn Sarner (she/her)
51:07
Forgot to mention: Live ASL and Spanish translation is available for every panel. If you wish to be able to see the ASL interpretation at all times, you can go to the interpreter's screen, go to the three dots in the top right corner, and click "pin"
Caitlion O'Neill
54:17
hey y'all! Just wanted to quickly plug the Food Law Student Network if you are interested in connecting with other interested students. We have a week of food law events coming up next month. I am the Southern representative, so please shoot me an email to get on the mailing list or more information! coneill@my.loyno.edu
Kenneth Orie
58:28
Firestone like many other multinational corps in developing countries are able to freely pollute, profit from low wages to employees and abuse human rights all in cahoots with the corrupt local government officials. They are predatory corps enabled by corrupt local officials. For the exploited ordinary people it is a tradeoff: earn a living however meagre in exchange for damage to their health and environment.
Kenneth Orie
01:00:23
Columbus and his accomplices also brought Eurasian disease to the Americas that decimated a lot of native people.
Alfred Brownell
01:01:23
The rural and forested areas of the developing world – 30% of the global landscape – will be the focus of increasingly intense global interest and contest,This interest and contest will be both for producing the additional food, fuel, fiber and water required to feed and service global demandThe contest for land and resources will be contentious and potentially violent.About 2 billion people who are owners and dwellers of these areas are among the poorest and most politically disenfranchised on the planet – and they have unmet expectations for justice.In many ways, the question of whether there will be adequate global natural resource protection and production over the coming decades will depend on how the rural and forest-dwelling people of the developing world are involved in these transformations
Alfred Brownell
01:02:24
Here is the videoFood and Agriculture Justice- Firestone Rubber plantation- Liberiahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MQAvkxsHk8Please share this link with participants who may want to follow this issue;Additional reading materials - This week we release this report on Firestone!1. Murky Waters - Environmental and human rights impacts of natural rubber processing in Liberia:https://swedwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/reportmurkywaters.pdf2. metals bioaccumulate throughout the food chain”https://swedwatch.org/uncategorized/heavy-metals-bioaccumulate-throughout-the-food-chain/3. “It has become clear that it is the water that makes us sickhttps://swedwatch.org/uncategorized/it-has-become-clear-that-it-is-the-water-that-makes-us-sick/
Kenneth Orie
01:07:29
Granted high prices are a key factor in poor dietary intake by many people. But we must also acknowledge that we are a society of convenience. Many people do not take the time to cook their own meals even when they can afford the raw groceries. For many people, it is more convenient to eat ready-to-go processed food loaded with salt or sugar.
Kenneth Orie
01:10:26
I find that prices of fresh groceries at farmers market - urban agriculture- are on the high side. How may the prices be made more competitive, and more affordable?
Haley Gentry (she/her)
01:14:24
There was na issue so I have to relaunch the poll - so sorry!
Shannon Derksen
01:14:32
Can you please re-send the poll again at a later time when screenshare is not on, it won't let me click and keeps disappearing.
Kenneth Orie
01:14:46
Are the aquaponic foods organic or do you use some chemical fertilizers or nutrients to grow them?
Chris Wilson
01:14:52
I got the poll results but was not able to vote
Haley Gentry (she/her)
01:14:53
Yes, I will resend at the end.
Jerald Crawford
01:15:35
are we listening for words. this is the second cle I look away and poll is up
Travis London
01:15:39
Hello everyone
Jerald Crawford
01:16:10
I’m actually watching but may multitask
Theresa Bewig
01:16:16
what is the color for this section?
Thuy Le
01:16:26
Grey
Haley Gentry (she/her)
01:16:26
The Color is gray!
Travis London
01:16:35
are the slides going to be available anywhere?
Sam Pfotenhauer
01:19:58
I believe a recording of this will be available online, which would include the slides - Haley, is that correct?
Christopher Dalbom
01:20:22
Yes, the recordings of all sessions will be available online.
James Nieset
01:21:39
are there still programs to help with title to properties so they can be used for local farming programs
Bethany E Bultman
01:21:43
Is there a way to create policy so local meat and produce sourced from Angola must be labeled as such?
marianne cufone
01:22:10
@James- yes I can explain more
James Nieset
01:23:06
Marianne I would like to discuss this with you further at another time
Honora Buras
01:24:30
There was a panel yesterday by YES! Magazine on Ecological Civilization where the issue of inherited, shared land was brought up. It can be sold off at auction by one owner and prevents the ability of indigenous and other communities where this is typical to hang onto their land for communal use. Is this possible in Louisiana law?
marianne cufone
01:24:33
@James let’s connect mcufone@recirculatingfarms.org -
John Mason
01:25:01
Question for Ms. Cufone: Im interested in the requirements for farmers to qualify as approved lessees for the tax incentive program. Thanks.
marianne cufone
01:26:44
@John if we don’t get to this here, connect with me after.
marianne cufone
01:28:03
@Honora - inheritance law is interesting in LA. We have some different aspects like usufructs. Happy to discuss but yes it could happen here
Caitlion O'Neill
01:32:15
CoO labeling and domestic labeling fails to address international incarcerated or slave labor. For example, nearly all pre-peeled garlic imported this country is produced by Chinese political prisoners, and many workers on shrimp boats that catch our imported shrimp work in actual slavery, never touching the shore for years at a time. I don't have a solution, just an observation that labels will only help us so much and it takes an enormous amount of time to learn where your food comes from.
marianne cufone
01:32:45
@Cailtlion - totally agree.
Kenneth Orie
01:37:50
To Lauren Ornela: I do not see any problem with the idea of prisoners being put to work. They are fed with tax payers money and need to be productive while in prison. It is also a good way to prepare them for re-entering the society. Compensating them in someway for the things they work to produce is ok with me, but I do not see prisoners working as a bad thing at all.
Kenneth Orie
01:40:52
Alfred: You seem to not be placing much blame on the national government, e.g. Liberia. A lasting solution must come from within. I am against predatory foreign corporations exploiting local people. But the bigger blame goes to the corrupt national government that enables this problem. What do you say to that?
Alfred Brownell
01:41:33
Firestone is a state with in a state
Caitlion O'Neill
01:41:43
What happens at Angola is not "work". It is forced labor. Especially demeaning since Angola is a former plantation, and the majority of incarcerated people there are Black- some of them descended from the enslaved people who lived there. Please read more about what happens at Angola; I think you will change your perspective. https://www.vianolavie.org/2020/09/03/prison-labor-in-louisiana/ https://scalawagmagazine.org/2020/03/powerlines-prison-labor-oil/
Alfred Brownell
01:42:11
This is corporate Capture. When a corporation captured the governance structures of the state
Kali Villarosa (she/her)
01:42:24
Hi Kenneth. The issue with prison labor is many fold, it is that most folks are incarcerated because of inadequate social conditions, of racism, because of the criminalization of poverty, because they are Black and Brown. In prison, if folks are compensated at all, it is entirely unlivable. The system of incarceration in this country originated from the enslavement of Black and indigenous individuals. Tax payer money should not be going to prisons but to education, to housing, to systems of care.
Alfred Brownell
01:42:29
There is an unequal relationship between Firestone and the Government of Liberia
Alfred Brownell
01:43:28
The annual budget for the Government of Liberia is 500 million annually, do you what Firestone annual operating budget is 200 billion!
Natalie Maples
01:43:51
Re the prison labor and modern slavery in the prison-industrial complex, I would highly recommend the documentary "13th" on Netflix
Gabbie Evans
01:44:19
Another good source regarding prison labor and its roots in slavery: https://www.urbanhabitat.org/files/RPE14-1_Browne-s.pdf
Alfred Brownell
01:44:53
Is there a responsibility for the Government , Absolutely but it is important to know what the power relationship is
Kenneth Orie
01:45:03
You can package or spin it whichever way you want. There is undeniably injustice and mistreatment, etc. That is a separate conversation. But the idea of prisoners being put to work is not bad at all, in my opinion.
lauren Ornelas (she/her)
01:45:57
Understood. Work should benefit the individual
Caitlion O'Neill
01:46:56
So why, in the face of injustice and mistreatment, do you still advocate for the practice? I strongly feel it is *not* a separate conversation.
James Nieset
01:47:35
Why aren’t farm workers essential workers
Alfred Brownell
01:47:39
Firestone:https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/firestone-and-the-warlord/
Thuy Le
01:47:40
The irony of the idea that putting prisoners to work will prepare them for re-entry lies in the fact that prisoners in these institutions are there for life. At least 2/3 of Angola’s inmates have life sentences.
Kali Villarosa (she/her)
01:49:18
Are prisons obsolete, Prison by any other name, Aphro-ism, Racism as Zoological Witchcraft, works by Ruth Wilson Gilmore, are all very good resources for delving into our food and carceral systems
Caitlion O'Neill
01:50:04
Thanks for the resources Kali!
Alfred Brownell
01:50:12
The anatomy of an Investment:https://www.jstor.org/stable/483972?seq=1
Kenneth Orie
01:50:12
To Thuy: Then let them work while in Angola for life and be paid for their labor. Work is a good thing.
John Mason
01:50:49
So we count these prisoners as dead weight loss, providing zero utility while “benefitting” from tax payers work? Tough, two sided issue.
Caitlion O'Neill
01:53:52
Maybe instead of thinking about how we punish people who have been incarcerated because they are being supported by tax revenue, think about how to change the system to incarcerate less people and have less costs. People continue to have utility in prison; our worth is not in labor hours.
Bryn Sarner (she/her)
01:54:10
Reminder: there will be a 15 minute break and then we will regroup for a post panel discussion starting at 3:30 using this same zoom room
Kenneth Orie
01:55:24
Caitlion: Not a punishment issue. Whether in prison or free, work is a good thing.
Sam Pfotenhauer
01:55:38
spfotenhauer@gmail.com
Claris Smith
01:56:01
Thanks Sam
Jerald Crawford
01:56:31
great panel
Thuy Le
01:56:58
Kenneth: They are paid. However, they’re paid pennies. And for those seeking to appeal their cases, it means working was much as possible to be able to afford document fees. This is an issue because Louisiana’s criminal justice system can lead to wrongful convictions or convictions based on repeated small offenses. I don’t disagree that work is a good thing. But it can hardly be called voluntary in such a situation.
Bryn Sarner (she/her)
02:50:24
Me at 11 years old discovering animal agriculture and going vegan haha
Sam Pfotenhauer
02:50:54
Love that Bryn!!
marianne cufone
02:51:02
@Bryn same for me re:veal esp.
lauren Ornelas (she/her)
02:51:17
yay!
lauren Ornelas (she/her)
02:51:29
Happy to help anyone with veganism!
Sam Pfotenhauer
02:51:42
For me, its access to produce (my life has been changed by eating real food and its impact on my mind) and getting outside and feeling a connection to earth through connecting with real food
Bryn Sarner (she/her)
02:52:32
I echo lauren, always done to help anyone with veganism!