"It wasn't our birth into this world, but our exit." Powerful!

I have to disagree in part; I and many others are innocent

I was commenting on the inherent restrictions placed on Black folks, within a system founded upon our "thingification," our non-personhood. Was your comment a response to this, John? Curious about innocence in this context

Nope; it was about a brief, earlier comment by Prof. Farley

Unrelated to your comment, actually

Ahhh, gotcha!

Abundance has been my go to concept in so many spaces - particularly with business types

Overage time well spent and valuable!

Yes, thank you!

Wholly unaware of these institutional elements in relation to Garner!

Me too!

also relates to legalized looting v. the taking of 12 inch tv

Thank you!

not at all. agree

That’s a good point

Try selecting a different screen when you share.

Stewart, any chance you would share the ppt?

@Sean - another institutional element in Eric Garner’s case was the return of Bill Bratton as police commissioner and his brand of broken windows policing

Yes, and appointed by alleged "progressive" Bill deBlasio at that, who ran on a platform of police accountability!

Probably a book Muhammad’s Condemnation of Blackness

Interested on thoughts on who is/are the “police?’ I’m in Portland that has been “burning for decades.” The big news this morning is the police killing of the suspect who shot the Patriot Prayer leader a week ago. Usually police kill “cop killers” when they confront them, and this is the latest compelling evidence that the police and the Trump-supporting “patriot” “prayer boys” are indeed one allied force—police treated the suspect like a “cop killer.” But does “police” also include the store owners, the property owners, the “undead,” all of us? Who are the “police” in these conversations?

@Athena....love your view that we're may be in a "magical moment"

Does anyone have any concrete examples of what a replacement for police and the criminal justice system would look like and how it would impact perpetrators and victims?

Vote for socialist Howie Hawkins for president!

Desiree: Critical Resistance has great resources on that front (raising the questions we'll have to answer post-abolition). I would also suggest checking out BYP 100, and possibly the org Common Justice (which utilizes restorative justice practices)

yes have cr stuff. i'll look back at it

Demi Carboto, From Stopping Black People to Killing Black People....that's what I heard, @SpearIt

Moinica Bell has a good new article bringing together critical race geography and policing. "Anti-segregation Policing" https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3610953

Monica.

Correction: DEVON Carbado, From Stopping Black People to Killing Black People (2017), https://lawcat.berkeley.edu/record/1127963?ln=en

Allied with the police, @Steven, e.g., 17-year-old with assault weapon in Kenosha

Yes, sharing a water bottle like breaking bread

@Aya | carceral state as normative for people of color

And some of the horrified people also take pleasure in it (trauma porn)

what do we do about property and the "small businesses"

I have to sign-off, but this has truly been a thought-provoking conversation. I look forward to other opportunities to engage with one another in the future.

Bundy person came out for BLM?

My modest and off-the-cuff reply - redirect the conversation to what really matters as far as lives v. property, and emphasize the need for communities supporting themselves (I’m blanking on the term).

Interesting @Anthony idea - bracketing together 2nd and 13th amendments

Thanks, panelists.

Thanks panelists!

Remarkable conversation, a gift, a call. Thank you, panelist, Saru, Steven & LatCrit

Thank you all very much!

Thank you--so grateful to hear this.

how can we access the recording?

activists started with abolishing the prison.

Civil immigration prisons too of course

of course!

And in California they fight fires for $1/day while others perish inside with COVID (San Quentin)

Will no prisons mean the trees and rope once again become the prisons? Without addressing other systems of oppression the incentives will still be strong. But without starting somewhere all the systems will stand. A conundrum.

Thank you for this great discussion!

Thank you all very much!

Steven - yes! And thanks everyone. You are all so inspiring.

Thanks Sara!

Thankyou